Women in Combat

The US Marines Tested Mixed-Gender Squads Against all Male ones, and the Results are Pretty Bleak

I will be writing a full post about this soon, but since I already have a month+ backlog, it’s going to be a while before it shows up here. Nevertheless, I think this is an important enough study that I want to bring your attention to it now. A few quotes:

“All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. …

“All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty.)

“The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment. …

“A military unit at maximum combat effectiveness is a military unit least likely to suffer casualties. Winning in war is often only a matter of inches, and unnecessary distraction or any dilution of the combat effectiveness puts the mission and lives in jeopardy. Risking the lives of a military unit in combat to provide career opportunities or accommodate the personal desires or interests of an individual, or group of individuals, is more than bad military judgment. It is morally wrong.”

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14 thoughts on “Women in Combat

  1. To really prove if women can serve in combat they should have used all female squads against all male squads, but the results would have been too terrifying for feminists.

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    • I suspect that not enough trained women exist to expand the study to an equal number of all-female squads. (Plus, no one is yet advocating all-female squads.) But, yes, they’d do terribly.

      Among the world’s billions of people, there may be a few women who have, for whatever unusual reasons, the builds and physiques and skills necessary for combat. The extreme majority, however, do not.

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    • Not at all. The Marines will be told to conduct another experiment, but with the correct result this time. Given the effect this result will have on the careers of all involved, I’m willing to bet somebody can come up with a better result.

      Then it’ll be Settled Science that women perform as well as men in combat, and there’ll be no risk of any loss of combat efficiency.

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    • Urg. Don’t get me started. Women are constantly bombarded with messages that they are just somehow unconsciously holding Bad Ideas and just need to fix their brains. It’s like… people are constantly telling you that you just need to go to a re-education camp and they’ll fix all of those pesky feminine notions for you, like wanting to be attractive or desiring a stable, monogamous relationship, being nurturing toward children, etc. Always these are Bad Think that have been somehow maliciously imposed by society and have to be de-programmed out of you; only Good Think like “It is superior to be an independent, career-oriented woman with no kids or husband” are allowed.

      I try not to whine too much about this kind of thing, but I think constantly bombarding people with messages that their basic instincts are wrong and unhealthy is really bad for them.

      Any idiot knows that women don’t have the same build, strength, and aggression as men, but the left has been pushing the narrative that women are just men with uteri for approximately forever.

      Even Slate Star Codex, much to my disappointment, had a dismissive comment about the study, saying that it was invalid because the female squads were inexperienced relative to the male squads. But many of the tests were pure strength–throwing a backpack, carrying an injured teammate out of a combat zone, etc. Yes, testing new soldiers against new soldiers or old soldiers against old soldiers would have been superior, but you can still draw inferences from a study like this one, and that inference is that most women aren’t very strong. There are a very few who are–some professional female athletes, perhaps, or female body builders. If they felt like going into combat, that might be fine.

      But ultimately, the vast majority of women are not even remotely capable of meeting the standards to be in combat (or, for that matter, a firefighter.)

      But somehow, non-idiots seem to not realize this. Let a woman into a fight, and she gets beaten. Feminists realize this, on some level, when they talk about rape and spousal/partner abuse. Women lose fights because they are weaker; thus they are the victims. Throw in a battlefield, and suddenly a woman who cannot fend off a random guy she just met is supposed to fend off an entire army of guys who want to kill her?

      On some level, I suspect a lot of people simply do not realize what it is like to BE someone else. That is, a lot of women, having never gotten into for-real wrestling matches with men or for-real strength competitions, don’t fully realize that most men are significantly stronger than they are. If your lifestyle requires baling hay and plowing and working cattle all day, you’ll figure this out really quickly, but if you’re jut working in an office, you’re clueless. So people think, seriously, that there exists some large pool of women who have the same physical abilities as men or could easily be trained up to that level (maybe after a bit of re-education to purge that Bad Think of “women are weaker than men”).

      Everything in society has gotten to this point where we are just scraping the bottom of barrels. Are there a few dozen female bodybuilders or women with weird hormonal conditions that let them have the same muscles as men in the entire country who might have been potentially excluded from one profession? Let’s devote tons of time and energy to make sure every last one is included! (What’s that, homeless veterans with PTSD and shit? Oh, well, whatever, I guess we can’t reach everyone.) Are fire departments hiring enough black women? Are engineering classes accessible to students with severe disabilities that are highly correlated with brain damage?

      Geeze, Look at me whine. Sorry about that. Carry on!

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